Q: What input did Coxson himself have in the recordings of your album, in the shaping of the songs?

A: He's just the producer, man.

Q: So he wasn't involved in the sessions? He left this to the studio band entirely.

A: The singers and the musicians, and all he does is the mixing. He wasn't even in there when it's recording, when the riddim is done. I (coughs)... forgot who was doing the board...?

Q: Sylvan Morris probably, or Larry Marshall perhaps.

A: I think it's Syl - not Larry Marshall, Larry Marshall never used to do no mixing. I think it's Syl Morris, Morris used to do the board, yeah. Now, Downbeat he try to boost this and boost that and boost stuff. My songs them, I come in with my idea, my horn-parts. Even Beltones, 'No More Heartaches', the horns, it's my creativeness with the horns. I blow the horns with my mouth even to the guy, I forgot his name - a slim guy, used to do trumpet.

Q: Bobby Ellis?

A: I think so, I think it's Bobby. And I took Trevor, Trevor's group, to Harry J.

Q: Trevor Sheilds, yes.

A: I rehearse Trevor then in my apartment and bring that group with 'No More Heartaches', played the guitar nicely, Harry J stood at my house, and I arrange that music. When we went for session Harry says, 'OK', because it's Harry's first music and he didn't have much to spend money, so he say, "OK, you can run the session". I work on those guys, I blow them horns so them see what I would go with, 'cause I was in charge them time. I told them what I want, them blow it and blow it until it sound good and laid that riddim. And the guys them voice the music and when they voice the music and stuff, I mean, everything was alright. But when Harry press the record and took it to the radio station and stuff, everybody is puttin' it down, like 'Why you spend money on this, it no sound good!' So Harry get downhearted. I say, "Harry, let me tell you somet'ing, that's what these individuals are for. They can't tell the outcome of a song, all you do is you just play it for me and then let the public decide". And he say OK. That's how it goes. He was one of the luckiest dudes, that's how it goes. His first song he recorded - watch that, and he make money off of it. That was the first recording that he did, the first hit song.

Q: How did you meet Harry in the first place? He was a salesman for whatever, at the time.

A: Yeah, he was an insurance salesman. He used to work down King Street, used to drive a little Ford, Ford Escort. And guess what happened? Our group was popular at the time, and he wanted to go into the business. Then he wanted to see if we could do a music for him. He met me, told me what he wanted to do and that he had some money to spend on recording. But he didn't have no idea how it goes, I showed him how it goes. He get to meet a few guys from the radio station and stuff, and I show Harry how it goes in doing the recording and stuff like that. Get the Beltones them and did that session and stuff. Me and Harry was good friends. Harry used to be at my house every night. Eeeevery night Harry used to be at the house. And I get Herbie Carter. Herbie Carter - he and one of the guys (Cables) used to be like close friends.

Q: Tell me more of who Herbie was.

A: Herbie Carter is just one of the guys who hang out at the studios, and he used to come by me and feel like singin', but he just couldn't sing. He just couldn't. He didn't have a singin' voice.

Q: Flat voice.

A: Flat, very flat. Is just like Earl, Earl Morgan. He couldn't sing.

Q: (Laughs) Well...

A: I'm tellin' you! He could not. But by practicin' and practicin' and practicin' - because Earl used to hang out at my house, and when he's singin' and stuff - Earl just couldn't! That's why when Earl get into Heptones, with Earl singin' harmony, I was very surprised. And Earl even end up leading the music and stuff, he didn't solve it. He did stuff now. You know, it was very surprising - Earl couldn't sing. He couldn't. It's the truth.


Earl Morgan

The Cables

Q: What became of Herbie?

A: You know, I don't know what happened to him. I haven't seen him over the years, I haven't heard anything about him. I know one a the time when Harry, y'know, make it, Harry open up a nice record shop down by King Street, and Herbie was working in the shop. Sometime I would check him, I'm going into that shop and nobody knowing that, well, that guy isn't the guy on the record (laughs)!

Q: (Laughs) It was recorded at Studio One, Harry's first session, wasn't it?

A: Yeah. No - his first session was recorded at Dynamic. You know that Dynamic are Federal? I think is Federal, or one of those...

Q: No. Byron Lee bought WIRL, West Indies Ltd, and renamed it 'Dynamic'.

A: Yeah, one of them. That's where the first Beltones song 'No More Heartaches' was recorded. But 'Happy Time' (was) recorded at Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs' studio. It's either recorded or voiced there, that's where I voiced it anyway. After Harry start making money, Harry act like he don't know me. This is after we start doing songs for him and stuff like that, and he start acting weird.

Q: Swell-headed, like.

A: Yeah. When Harry travel the first time and came back to Jamaica, he came down the road with that car, man. And he made money. Then he had Bob Andy and Marcia (Griffiths) start doing music for him and he turn big boy. He had our music out and stuff like that, but I think he got a raw deal with (inaudible) for an LP though. 'Cos he got soooo big and I don't know what goes wrong. They released the LP up here, and I mean it should sell. We did do over 'No More Heartaches' too, it was a hit in New York. You know, we did it over for Harry.

Q: In '77.

A: And he make money off of it, so we didn't get nothing better, definitely, off our version of 'No More Heartaches'.

Q: The other two guys from the Beltones, can you remember them?

A: I don't remember the other two guys, trust me. I tried to remember their names. I know them good. One of them play the piano deh, I don't know if both of them played the piano. Trevor was the one that I knew well. The other two guys they were OK, working guys, y'know. I knew Trevor well, and they did rehearse along so they'd come by. After rehearsal we went for the recording. Trevor is much... One a the time we formed together the group True Experience, after he and Beltones left.

Q: After they split up.

A: Some groups never last. You know, some things with groups, if you are the leader and things are going well, the other guys think how it goes is because you're getting all the attention, and it always bring a bad t'ing into our group. That was one of the things that broke up my group. They went and form different groups, they didn't work and they came back and then they left again and say, 'Oh, we can't do'. That's just how it goes. After the second time I took Bobby in the group, me and him and Trevor Sheilds formed this group until we go back and reformed the Cables.

Q: True Experience, this was back in '72?

A: '70, somewhere there, I don't remember (laughs).

Q: I think it was, and you did one 45 together, 'My Girl'.

A: Yeah. I think we did another song, did another song too.

Q: What was the label?

A: Esbonne (also on Ethnic in the UK, circa '74).


The Cables 1977 : Bobby, Keble & Elbert (Photo: Dennis Morris)

Q: This project, you hooked up with a producer or was the session self-financed?

A: Yeah, it was self-financed by the guy, he tried it but it just didn't work.

Q: So who was this individual?

A: He was some - I don't know if he was a cop or something. He did shows too, tried to produce shows and stuff. Nothing ever worked for him. We're doing shows - we, some other artists and John Holt, and he didn't even make some money off the shows.

Q: You said you rehearsed Beltones, did you write that song for the Beltones as well?

A: No, I didn't write it. You know, a lot of people thought I am the writer of the original song, for some reason. For some reason people thought it too. I mean, Trevor's voice is different, but that song has a little touch of Cables because of the way I arrange it. Then after a while when we did it over, when I did it over, mine was so popular again after that because the riddim was changed, y'know, it was a little slower and stuff like that. So a lot of people thought we are the original, y'know, people's minds just twitched what they heard off the other song and then turned it their way. But still you have some people who - at one time you had Lloyd... Lloyd...? You know who I'm talking? Producer Lloyd, man.

Q: Lloyd Campbell?

A: Lloyd Campbell. Yeah, he didn't know we did over 'No More Heartaches' and it was a hit in New York. One night there was this singer on the radio, this guy - I forgot his name, some controversy was going down with 'No More Heartaches' because Lloyd made Sanchez do a thing over 'No More Heartaches', he did over 'No More Heartaches', Sanchez. There was a controversy about it and Lloydie didn't know this but this guy on the radio, he's a deejay, and he didn't even know about Beltones now, he knew mine. Because in New York when it was a hit he used to play it, and he fell in line, "No man, it's Cables, is Cables". And Lloyd say, "No, it's only one 'No More Heartaches' and Cables them never do that, Cables never did that music". And I called up the guy and when I said who I was him say, "Oh my gosh, you have the record?" And I say, "Yeah, I have the record". I loaned it to him and he got it played on the show. You know, you can't know because it wasn't released in Jamaica, it was only released in New York and it became a hit. Because I was in Jamaica when people calling me and I remember one a the time - how he got the number from me I don't know, and he called and he said, "Man! You rich now!"(chuckles). "Man, your music hit, man! 'No More Heartaches' is number one, man! Number one here, y'know". I said, "What?!" You know, we didn't know nutten. Is just like in England, we didn't know how much 'Baby Why' and them music was heating up the air and because them don't want us to know they never give and show us, because they was just making the money. But, a guy say if they pay we more we could make it better, but then again it's for a wise purpose. You know, maybe I could become famous, just like the other guy that got wasted too, y'know. I just look at it - everything is for a wise purpose. That's not what God wanted for me.


Q: You've been biding your time over the years. You've had other incomes, nowadays you're working at the airport, and back then you earned your living in a shoe-factory I think.

A: I was working in a shoe-factory in Jamaica, I spent seventeen years of my job-life there. I mean, I think I started on that job when I was about thirteen. Somewhere there along the line, I was young. Thirteen, yeah, I was about thirteen. Yep. Wasting seventeen years and then after a while the factory goes down and I didn't even get a second job. I have to just fly out. And y'know, I left Jamaica and came to America. I tried to create a new life. I came to New York and haffe just drive the cab, just like that. I had the odd jobs. Then I got to work at American Airlines in '87, y'know, that was only the best thing that could happen to me.

Q: Because, as you've said, you can't depend on music alone. That would be too hard, it's too competetive. Only the lucky few lasts, on a regular level.

A: No, I always think so. I'm always a working man. Because I'm a very independent person, and as I said I love the music but I don't like to do it if we can't do better. I don't like that. So I always try to find out the best way. That's why Downbeat - for all those that want to work with him, I wish them all the best. I would like to make it, like Beres Hammond. Look how many people carry themselves. Beres Hammond make million sellers, million seller, and didn't make no money. But he's hangin' in there, and who can stop him? Maybe he's too smart for some a them guys that carry him down earlier, you know what I mean? So I would say 'The race is not for the swift but those that can endure'. I've endured so long now that I've decided to make some off it, that's the way I feel.

Q: Did you do session work for others during the Harry J period for instance, like Lloyd Robinson, Winston Hines, or for his band - what was the band Harry mainly used at this time?

A: Harry mostly had In Crowd. No, no, no - Harry mostly had... is Duke who had In Crowd...? I don't remember who Harry had. Harry had a lot of bands, I think it's the In Crowd guys. Yeah, I think it's In Crowd guys. Or some of the popular guys, what were some of the... oh, man! I've forgotten. But sometime too it's like he had a pick up band, stuff like that. 'Cos you had studio musicians that was different from a lot of the regular musicians. You had some guys that just was good at shows and stuff, like the Tit For Tat. I wasn't doing a lot of harmony work for others, no. I'd do harmony for Lloyd Parks.


Q: How did you come to write 'Baby Why' now?

A: Well, let me tell you what happened in writing the song. It's a thing about writing songs, you have to think about things that can happen and things that are happening, everyday life around you. You know, everything relates back to what you know, what you see. You know, that's how it goes in writing. I mean, 'Baby Why' definitely has a little truth in it what it spoke about. But a part of it also is the reaction when people broke up relationships. But in those days they wrote a love song because a lot of people do stuff and that tell what they've been through. And 'Baby Why' has a little touch of a girlfriend of mine. I remember this girlfriend, she was from the countryside and she decided to come live with me and we tried start a life, stuff like that. Something happened and it didn't work, and then after a while when she realised that she had been playing around, she came back and begging, y'know, say 'Oh...'. You know, I should forgive her and it started... At that time I was a type of guy that would switch girl, and it doesn't matter how much you say, whatever. You know, that kind won't break me, that one... them days. So, is little things people do and stuff I just saw right there what inspire me to write the song. And then that was when I said: 'Baby baby why, oh why, why did you leave me for another guy...?' It wasn't exactly for another guy but I just put in that 'for another guy' somehow.

Q: And it became a classic.

A: Yeah, it became a classic. I got a lot of feedback through that song, because for every word it is something there which people could relate to. That song helped so many people's relationships. You know, this man got - I remember I was at the studio down here, I think Tinga (Stewart) and his wife walked in, and Tinga introduced me to his wife. And Tinga said, "You know who is this?" And she shook her head and said no. "Is the Cables", and he said: "You ever hear that song'Baby Why', the one weh Amy recorded?", 'cos it's when they used to have problems. And that somehow used to heal, that song. He said, "Keble, that song used to tell what we had", because they had problems. And that song was saying everything that they needed to hear, and it gave them so much comfort. I remember Peter Austin again, Clarendonians, he and his girlfriend broke up, and that song was something again that meant so much for them. And I mean, people all over always have something to say about that song. Those are the facts there - it happens to everybody. It happens to everybody. So when people hear that it's like - it's just so expressive for them that can't really express it for themselves. You know, I try to write songs that express these things in a simple way, saying the everyday things in different ways. Not just, y'know, the negative stuff or whatever, but say some positive things that people can relate to, every day in life. That's how I write songs. You have some people, they just listen to the riddim, and you have some people who listen to the lyrics, you have some people who listen to both. I have a song which tells: 'I have to give you all of my love, for so many years after wasted most of my time, just to prove how much I care, and now you've left me and gone your way, the good times we had together is gone, all is gone away...'. You know, the lyrics is coming from that down that line. When you listen to it, when you play those songs it'll let you understand where I'm coming from, songs from when it hurts. Those songs can be classics too. I think that's one of the songs Harry had runnin' off and sent it to England and had it printed. And we had some good harmonies on it also.



Q: For lyrical inspiration, who did you take the most impressions from in those days?

A: Various stuff. No, I listen to artists and then after a while I decide I wanna do singin', y'know, I hear them say 'You know, you can sing, you could do singin'', and stuff like that. And, I decide I would love to write songs, and that's when I get a course about writing, then I get a little input how to go about it. You know, how to form the words to write it with music, writing the lyrics. And that's where I started. At first I didn't know how to get it together, how to do it, but then it's motivating that way. But wherein, it's a lot of man I get inspiration from. Music is something I wanted to do, because as a kid I used to play the harmonica. So, it's something I just wanted to do, and I knew that I wanted to write and I did it and it became like a hobby. I wouldn't say I was really inspired by other artists. I was inspired in many ways like... You know, in music you listen to a song, it's like Aretha Franklin? I mean, I would lay in my bed in the morning when they used to play Aretha Franklin, when I listen to her, man, she goes through your body! You know, it's just the song I loved. It's many things that inspire me about life, what I know is what you're gonna hear.

Q: But you pretty much stuck to the same course even when returning to work for Harry J in the mid seventies, Rasta was the happening thing but you kept the love torch burning, by sticking to the same romantic type of lyrics. Not much had changed.

A: No, I had one song... Yeah, because Rasta lyrics is for just a few, y'know, not the majority, I found out. And Rasta, I liked the Rasta-ism because I grew up amongst some true Rastaman, whose words were real. Those were real Rastaman, I mean spiritual Rastaman. I used to even dance Nyabinghi music because we used to go to those type of things and bang the drums and singin' Nyabinghi songs and stuff like that. When I was there growing up in Ghost Town I was hangin' out amongst those people. So, after a while when the Rasta-ism came in, it's like people would just start adapting themselves to the Rasta cause like some macho-ism. Now with Bob Marley, Bob Marley was a true Rastaman, I can tell anybody that. Because that time, he's just a quiet, full-time musician, and so inspired. And his thoughts and stuff was all good, we appreciated him. He's a guy, the little I know about him and seen of him, is that he never turned his back on anybody. If Bob's driving his car down the street, so many would stop to say something, somebody's asking him for something, he's gonna listen, man. It pays to be humble, y'know, and he was a humble guy. So, I didn't go into the Rasta thing. I wrote one Rasta tune though, and it's 'Praise Jah'.

Q: A solo track, yes.

A: And I wrote it, because if you listen to the words of it wherein you see a lot of the people thought it was about me, and that's why I put that in where it says: 'See all them kids starting praise Rasta, hail o Jah, but we know them a wolf in a sheep clothing...'. You know, because a lot of people they locks up their hair but they're not a Rasta, they're only a dreadlocks.

Q: Just projecting an image without any sign of, well, any substance behind it.

A: Yeah! Yes, just an image. They're just adapting that, and after a while that's all you could see. And people they used the dreadlocks for many things, you see, a macho, and people think they are badman. Some use it for cover up, to do crime and all a them stuff. So, because I have an understanding of what true Rasta is and what it's about, is like people are using it, and is all doing anolgy. Because if I was to locks my hair and stuff it would've been in the days when the true Rastaman them I used to move 'mongst. At one time Harry J wanted us to locks our hair...

Q: (Laughs)

A: Because that was the in-thing, and I said, "No Harry". I say, "Hey, if I'm makin' it I'm makin' it as Cables, to let the people know who I am". I said, "I wanna be who I am!" I said, "Everybody can't be a Bob Marley, because Bob Marley is Bob Marley", and it doesn't matter how you try. There are some that would locks up their hair, yes, and they make a little fame. But what is happening now? Are they still in fame as them was then? At the time, you had people who does that, but now Rasta - Rasta isn't now. Is a form of fashion. You understan' what I'm saying? Because, you find that they are folly players, they have their dreadlocks, you have all different type of... it's just a fashion, it's a style, y'know. How many true Rastaman out there, how many of them you can look at and say they are dedicated, true Rastas? You can't tell. You know, everybody are doing all them stuff, you can't even get big in a dreadlocks way. So, I didn't go into it because I know it won't pay, it won't pay.

Q: Right, you even felt that at the time.

A: Oh yes, I felt it because you see I knew the root of it all, what it's all about. And it was disgusting, and hurtful, to see this. I know what is true Rastas. So I knew and so I didn't want to go into this. You know, it's like a form of religion, and you don't use a religion. And when people start using Rasta-ism and start act like macho, y'know, I didn't like it. Because, it's like I said when those people start using religion and mess up all kinda stuff, you know, from abuse, I mean you name it! You know what I mean? So, like I said I'm different in that way.

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